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explore the bazaars or e-ticket ride

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into the world of the paranoid

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds

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cryptozoology as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night now your electrifying hosts of

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exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and

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team sports this is exploring the

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bizarre I'm Tim Schwartz and

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unfortunately my friend and co-host Tim

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Beckley will not be with us tonight I'm

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not quite sure where he is rumor has it

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that he's off to Rachel Nevada to try to

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get a early jump to take a look at them

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aliens or it could be that he got

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accidentally locked into the basement

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and can't find the key

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whatever the case next week I'm sure

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that he'll be back if the CIA lets him

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go or if somebody finds that key but

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anyway we'll just go on without Tim

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Beckley tonight and because we have an

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absolutely fantastic yes and I'm really

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excited that Denise could be with us

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tonight so let me do a little

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introduction tonight we have Denise

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pridemore now Denise is originally from

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Baltimore and lived in Virginia New

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Jersey Arkansas Missouri and finally

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settled in eastern Kansas she's been

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having paranormal experiences since her

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earliest memories and she has a lifetime

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of experience experiences paranormal

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intuitive and real life she's been

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seeking answers to the paranormal since

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you can remember but recalls a time I do

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as well when talking about the

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paranormal premonitions and supernatural

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phenomena was considered taboo now

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Denise started Pridemore paranormal in

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2009

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along with her husband became volunteer

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tour guides in 2011 for the infamous

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Sally I hope I'm correctly with Sally

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house in Kansas now due to the

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experiences Denise has had at the Sallie

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house she was asked to appear on the

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show Ghost Adventures where she was

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asked to give the crew a tour of the

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Sallie house and she says she says that

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that was a very interesting experience

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and has brought her some local and

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national popularity Denise and her

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husband are now volunteers for the

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beautiful McPike mansion in Alton

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Illinois and she's working on many

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paranormal projects including her weekly

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radio show the paranormal pride and

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Denise is also going to be talking to us

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tonight about the upcoming spook show

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con on starting on August 17th and II

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Illinois so Denise thanks for being with

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me tonight on exploring the bizarre well

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thank you so much for having me on I I'm

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so excited I sound so interesting well

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you are you wouldn't have you on our

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show if you weren't like wow that sounds

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good I should have you write the the bio

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for the for the book that I was in it's

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like wow this is great

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but it's always interesting to hear

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somebody else talk about you and like

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really I did that oh yeah I did it I

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mean cuz a lot of the stuff that I

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talked about seemed like it was so long

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ago now it doesn't even seem that

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important but you know and when I stay

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Ghost Adventures was an interesting

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experience it was I mean yeah don't you

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know don't knock it till you try it but

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it was it was interesting and would I do

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it again yeah I would but I think I'd

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leave my last name off that's the only

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thing I think I really regret is my last

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name being on there the messages that I

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get are odd so and I'm not going to go

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into those because they they could get

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me in a lot of trouble but they they are

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very odd and but you know if it wasn't

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for that I wouldn't have met so many

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really nice people so

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that was the best part of that all of

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that and you know and Thank You Sally

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house for for that you know there was it

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got worse after after Ghost Adventures

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but you know everything gets worse after

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Ghost Adventures yeah I've heard of

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people say that and I don't know why

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that is but I don't know if it was the

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popularity or the

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the negativity or the all the people

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not that there wasn't a lot of people

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coming before that because there was but

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for me personally it got worse and I

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not sure exactly how much people want to

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hear about what those theories are as to

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why it got worse and why it got better

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you know that that's that's a whole

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other entity in itself so well we really

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need to get into that but I I first want

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to and and we'll talk about this a

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little bit more complete later on in the

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show but right here at the top of the

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show why don't you tell us just give us

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the synopsis of what spooks show con is

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that's coming up this weekend yes boot

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show con is going to be well this is my

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first year being involved with it as the

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co-host so I'm the co-host and the MC

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which for me is different normally I'm

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the one I'm walking around just getting

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to know everybody this time I know

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almost everybody so that's helpful we

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have really good yes that are going to

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be coming in and speaking and it was I'm

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gonna describe it more like a family all

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of us know each other and so it's going

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to be really easy in its family without

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the end fighting so that's the nice part

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so we're doing it all at the Red Roof

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Inn in DeKalb so everybody can come and

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stay at the Red Roof Inn and we just go

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downstairs have a good time and you know

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it's only 20 bucks that's pretty good

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but our guest speakers are Mike Rick

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Secor from haunted Road media and Kelly

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McCarville

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Vanessa ho go Ursula Bilski from Chicago

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haunted tours

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you know she owns Chicago when it comes

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to haunted tours mmm yeah you can't get

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any better than that we got Frank

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Bennett who's a really good friend of

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mine and he's gonna be talking about

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cryptozoology and the paranormal and

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swearing on his books we got coyote

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Chris Sutton who is also a volunteer at

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the McPike mansion along with my husband

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and myself we have ghosts crier they're

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big on viddy space and I don't know how

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I'm gonna rein them in I don't know if I

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have a lasso big enough to keep keeping

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control of those two guys and then we

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got Rick Wade I haven't met him

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personally yet so tomorrow is going to

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be the first time I meet him and yes the

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events Saturday but I'm meeting him

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tomorrow and for anything about Rick

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we'll wait is that mine

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my mother's family and his family no we

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knew each other from back in the day her

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through bluegrass so when we got to know

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each other a little bit more we found

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out that our families knew each other so

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and we also have Willie Atkins who's big

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into independent films and as well as

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Tom McNicholas who is the host of it and

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so there's all of that and it's gonna be

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there's a lot of dark arts kind of type

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stuff in there and it's like I said I

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don't know everything that's what's

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really great about this we've got all

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kinds of different vendors things that I

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had never even thought about having at a

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paranormal show because it's not all

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paranormal you know when I think about

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going to these conferences I'm thinking

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paranormal Tom on the other hand had

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this show set up before and they were

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doing films and and all that but this

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the venue was too small for the film's

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to be to be brought in so next year

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there will be films there will be the

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film fest to go along with it

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and then we have an investigation at the

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last not one of it is the last Egyptian

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theater east of the Mississippi River

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there's not very many west of the

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Mississippi now either but this is the

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last Egyptian theater that's still in

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operation east of the Mississippi River

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and we're you know so that's gonna be

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interesting and I've I know that there's

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videos out there

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from people who have investigated this

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place Willie actually filmed a couple

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movies at this location I know nothing

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about it I go into locations cold I

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don't want to know anything I want I

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mean I'm already having visits from

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spirits telling me stuff I don't know

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which which place it's from because I

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hear that the Red Roof Inn is also

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haunted hmm so do I know where these

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spirits are from no I don't but you know

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they always say theaters are haunted so

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that's gonna be interesting

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so this will be the first theatre notice

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the second theatre that we've

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investigated so that's gonna be fun for

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us and we're we're Ron and I are two of

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the lead investigators for the guests

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that are coming through so that's gonna

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be fun so I am I'm just I'm just stoked

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for that part of it to try to you know

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hey we're going in we're gonna check it

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out and then the next night we're gonna

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show everybody hey these are the places

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that we we had stuff happened last night

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and all that so hopefully everybody will

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have a good time

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and let's see what's the website for a

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spook show com spook show its a spook

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show con dot-com

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that's it yeah tickets are $20 so if

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you're in the Chicago area or not too

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far from there 20 bucks for the day and

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the investigation is is 50 dollars we

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don't have any control over the cost of

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the investigation because the theater

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set the price on that and it and just so

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you guys know if you decide to do the

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investigation it's a 501 3 C so it is

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tax-deductible I didn't know that could

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be tax-deductible well because of the

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fact that it's a charity okay so every

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trip that I take is tax-deductible

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because I'm doing something that's

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related to either my business or it's

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related charity so I make I make sure

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that I do something that's related to my

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business or related to charity so that I

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can at least write off something it's

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not it's not like you get a big huge

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discount on your taxes but at least I

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can say hey

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I did this you know like when I go to

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McPike mansion at least it's I know that

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it's for charity and I I can write off

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some of it

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although McPike mansion is not a 501 3 C

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that's bad but you know what I mean

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there's some I can write off part of it

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because it's business right right so so

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people need to keep that in mind if

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they're really wanting to go the

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Egyptian theater is a 501 3 C so that

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that's important if you have a radio

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show you might be able to write off the

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rest of the trip too so but it's it's

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fun to go and hang out with people that

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you like and in this case every person

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in the list of the lineup that we have I

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really like we also have some of our one

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of our vendors is Becky from silcon

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mm-hmm Becky Castile so she's gonna be

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there she's gonna be doing some Reiki

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and and massage bringing her massage

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table so hey that's gonna help so and we

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we're gonna have the guys from PRI

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that's over in Utica Illinois right I

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don't know if you know any of them but

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that's Dan Williams and his team and PRI

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is Paranormal Research Institute they're

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working on this really interesting

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random number generator with Mike

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Nichols

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here in Kansas City that basically

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they're finding a way to relate using

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this random number generator and

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relating it to paranormal incidences mmm

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and and it's coming back really

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interesting so anybody that's really

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into random number generators or

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scientifically proving paranormal mike

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nichols is a really great guy to talk to

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he teaches parapsychology here in Kansas

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City and I think at UMKC yeah my husband

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just validated and UMKC

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so it's really kind of interesting to

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hear about this random number generator

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and they were just here for the Kansas

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City parent Eric on and investigated

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some really interesting places and got

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some validation with that so it's gonna

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be interesting to see who who all we

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have show up at at the event and

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hopefully even Ron from paranormal cops

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when he show up he said he might so I

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don't know if you remember that show

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paranormal cops from like nine years ago

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mm-hmm oh yeah he was just on paranoia

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mergency Episode two seems like anymore

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that there's there's so many different

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reality shows you know he's in

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paranormal cops Paramore whatever you

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know paranormal pets it's you had like

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the I can't remember what channel was on

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but it was like you know the ghost

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hunters and bikinis or something I got

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that email that they wanted go people

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that would ghost hunt naked nobody would

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watch that

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no actually somebody might I know I

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wouldn't but yeah that takes on a whole

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a whole new meaning for naked and afraid

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you know yeah there's a few too many

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things going on there that you know new

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and different I'm awful orbit not that

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new and different yeah that's just

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that's just push it a little bit

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okay well now in your bio you talk about

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having paranormal experiences since your

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earliest memories now why don't you talk

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a little about that because I mean we're

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always interested I mean it seems like

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everybody that I talked to who is

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interested in this kind of stuff myself

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included usually ends up having had some

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kind of unusual experiences I was just

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you know one or two and sometimes it's

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throughout their entire childhood it's

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you know like kind of a bizarre

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experiences now what about yourself

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mine was out-of-body experiences mmm so

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like when I was four I told my parents

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that I saw my grandfather killed my

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grandmother huh yeah and so

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had to go over well no I didn't because

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I was for and they they go no Grandma

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and Grandpa were in a car accident and

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grandma just grandma was died in the car

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accident and I was like no he turned her

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neck you know I was four

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you know and and I kept telling him that

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and they go no that's not that's not

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what happened

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you know she died in the car accident I

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said no he turned her neck and they you

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know didn't listen to me and so it was

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like okay whatever you know eventually I

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stopped talking about it and then when I

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was 10 I had an out-of-body experience

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again and witnessed my grandfather

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killed my father

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and when I got up the next morning my

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mother and her and my dad's girlfriend

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I know strange okay we're sitting at the

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kitchen table and of course I didn't

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find anything odd about it which is

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really fine I find odd now I don't find

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anything odd about that but I walk out

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there and I go and I tell my mom that my

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father's that dad's dead and how and you

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know who what when where and why and

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actually tell my mother my dad's last

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words which my my dad's girlfriend

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neglected to tell my mother

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mmm and my mom at that point pulled me

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aside and said you can't tell people

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this stuff because if you do they're

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gonna think you're crazy and so

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throughout my dad's whole funeral and

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stuff you know I you know I saw him you

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know things like that and and at this

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point in my life you know we were you

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know I knew I saw stuff but I knew I

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couldn't tell and I well you know

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basically I just went about my business

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and just okay well you make strange

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faces and people just think you're funny

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ya know I can't go with you you're

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you're not Rio I can't say that but you

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know and I told Ron I said I said I went

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to Candy's burger when I in 77 and I

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said I saw these ghost children and you

395
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know I didn't know that they were really

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ghosts I just thought saw him and they

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warned

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to come with them and I couldn't leave

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the kids that I was with you know the

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teacher would have been a little bit

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irritated with me

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should I have walked away from the group

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so if I had walked away from the group

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she'd gone what's going on if I'd have

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said hey those kids want me to go with

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them and nobody else saw how do you

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explain that

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you know same as seeing spirits at the

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White House or the Capitol building or

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you know Smithsonian you know basically

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I just kind of kept my mouth shut and

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kept on going you know well how can you

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how could you tell the difference so

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between you know spirits and the the the

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living because I mean I've talked to a

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lot of people who have had experiences

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seeing ghosts and you know some of them

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I mean it's kind of the traditional you

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know the the spirits are transparent and

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or you know glowing in the dark other

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times the you know the spirits look as

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solid and as real as you know say your

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husband sitting next to you right now

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that's true I think it just depends on

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how much energy the the spirit is

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putting out but there have been times

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where I've seen a spirit that's I swear

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as a solid as him and and other times

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it's like I know your spirit and there's

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other than they said that other times

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I've actually followed somebody thinking

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that they were real and had a

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conversation and and then suddenly they

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disappear so and actually a couple of

435
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those times were were while we were on

436
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vacation and ron was with with me going

437
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who and the heck were you talking to he

438
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walks up on me and he's concerned as to

439
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who I'm talking to because you know I

440
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don't know anybody where we're at but of

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course I've never met a stranger mm-hmm

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at least no one's stranger than myself

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so it so it all works out but it's just

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that's how how it is you know mm-hmm

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just but there are times when I see see

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a spirit manifest and it starts out

447
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looking more like a what somebody

448
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call a shadow person until it fully

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manifest so so there are times when

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you're you know when somebody says it's

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a shadow person

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I'm sitting there going maybe it just

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doesn't have enough energy to fully get

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to what it needs to be you know because

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in my case I've had I've had dark

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experiences with things that can't fully

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manifest and I've had things that were

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able to manifest and no it's not bad so

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I so far I can't tell you a hundred

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percent for certain that a shadow person

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is a bad thing right

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right same as you know these these hat

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men mm-hmm I have never seen anything

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with a top hat except for at at the

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White House I saw something that I swear

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was Abraham Lincoln but that made sense

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there I've seen a guy with a flat hat

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you know I've seen a guy with a baseball

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hat you know I've seen a guy with a

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bowler hat I've never seen a guy with a

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top hat you know so it's like so are we

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all seeing the same guy or are they all

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different mm-hmm so I I kind of laugh at

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some of the things and maybe I'm maybe

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I'm unusual maybe I'm overthinking or

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maybe I'm not thinking you know so what

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about anybody else in your family you

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know the same way you know the have have

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these abilities because you know usually

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being able to see spirits or you know

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have ESP or other types of abilities

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tends to run in families yes my

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great-grandmother was Blackfoot mmm and

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so she had it my so my great-great

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grandmother my great-grandmother my

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grandmother and my mother did not and

487
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then two of my children at least two of

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my children do so and how and and how

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did you explain to your children you

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know

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somebody's standing there in the corner

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oh yes

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and they usually tell them go upstairs

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and see my mom mm-hmm thank you

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my luckily my youngest is now 20 so they

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they know what to do at this point that

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when they were younger it tended to be a

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lot of issues and I ended up you know

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having to go sleep in their rooms a lot

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so it just ended up being that I had to

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learn how to take care of more than when

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I had to clean house I had to clean

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house mm-hmm all right well we're coming

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up on the the minute mark before we go

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to our bottom of the hour break when we

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come back we will continue our

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conversation with Denise and her

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paranormal experiences right here on

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exploring the bizarre so stay tuned

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because it's gonna get good

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now back to exploring the bazaars with

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two of the most electrifying researchers

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in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

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Lee panting Swift's welcome back to

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exploring the bazaar on Tim Schwarz

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tonight we're talking with Denis

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Pridemore and so Denis why don't you

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tell me about pride more paranormal you

519
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said you had started that in 2009 along

520
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with your husband well technically yeah

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I mean if you want to go back it's a

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really strange story we were oh we

523
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really didn't know that we were both

524
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that we both liked the paranormal stuff

525
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mm-hmm until later on in our marriage

526
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that which is strange in meaning when

527
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you think about it you know we didn't

528
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really talk about it and so we were

529
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watching TV one day and we were you know

530
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saw McPike mansion on there and it was

531
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like okay I said I'd really like to go

532
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there I said you've been duh you know

533
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runs from Florissant Missouri which is

534
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right across the river I said you know

535
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where Alton is I said have you ever been

536
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there and he goes yeah I've been to

537
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Alton I said no McPike mansion do you

538
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know where it is he was no I said I know

539
00:25:28,260 --> 00:25:27,309
you've been to Alton you know he worked

540
00:25:29,370 --> 00:25:28,270
over you know would have to go over

541
00:25:31,919 --> 00:25:29,380
there the wharf and things like that

542
00:25:35,730 --> 00:25:31,929
just I don't know where it is so you

543
00:25:37,500 --> 00:25:35,740
know we went over there and okay this is

544
00:25:39,690 --> 00:25:37,510
kind of neat and we went out we went on

545
00:25:42,029 --> 00:25:39,700
Troy Taylor's walking tour I have to say

546
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:42,039
that was a really good tour we've really

547
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:45,730
enjoyed it and about a couple weeks

548
00:25:56,399 --> 00:25:50,640
later we we had a family reunion in

549
00:25:58,560 --> 00:25:56,409
Staunton Iowa okay we had seen on TV

550
00:26:02,610 --> 00:25:58,570
years before of Villisca the Villisca ax

551
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:02,620
Murder House right and okay so all these

552
00:26:07,140 --> 00:26:04,570
places we've seen on TV the Sallie house

553
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:07,150
Villisca McPike never thought anything

554
00:26:10,740 --> 00:26:09,250
of it so on our way to this family

555
00:26:13,230 --> 00:26:10,750
reunion

556
00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:13,240
we're going through Clarinda Iowa and I

557
00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:15,130
just happened to look over I said I

558
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:18,130
wonder where Villisca Iowa is he was I

559
00:26:21,450 --> 00:26:19,690
don't know he goes it's got to be in the

560
00:26:22,919 --> 00:26:21,460
you know more northern part he goes

561
00:26:25,649 --> 00:26:22,929
because my family would have talked

562
00:26:26,970 --> 00:26:25,659
about it if it was close by you know

563
00:26:28,919 --> 00:26:26,980
because we were always looking to get

564
00:26:30,899 --> 00:26:28,929
into that kind of stuff you know we

565
00:26:36,029 --> 00:26:30,909
would have went over there turn the

566
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:36,039
corner Villisca nine miles okay

567
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:38,559
stands like eight nine miles from there

568
00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:41,770
okay and his mom grew up in a place

569
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:44,559
called red oak which is like 17 miles

570
00:26:52,770 --> 00:26:49,210
from from Reddick from Villisca okay so

571
00:26:55,980 --> 00:26:52,780
I look at him he looks at me and we go

572
00:26:57,180 --> 00:26:55,990
we got a drive-by so if nothing else we

573
00:26:59,789 --> 00:26:57,190
were gonna drive by and get a picture

574
00:27:01,830 --> 00:26:59,799
mm-hmm and find out how we would be able

575
00:27:04,350 --> 00:27:01,840
to if we could check it out on Sunday on

576
00:27:06,930 --> 00:27:04,360
our way back so we drive by and I get

577
00:27:09,630 --> 00:27:06,940
this really neat picture not paranormal

578
00:27:13,260 --> 00:27:09,640
but really neat I had this really old I

579
00:27:16,130 --> 00:27:13,270
had a blackberry phone you know note no

580
00:27:19,289 --> 00:27:16,140
flash no really slow shutter speed

581
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:19,299
remember those and a lightning bug flew

582
00:27:23,700 --> 00:27:21,730
by so this lightning bug got in there so

583
00:27:26,730 --> 00:27:23,710
so it has this what everybody wanted to

584
00:27:28,649 --> 00:27:26,740
say was a vortex it was light but like I

585
00:27:30,510 --> 00:27:28,659
said it looks really neat everybody

586
00:27:32,490 --> 00:27:30,520
wanted to say it was paranormal so I

587
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:32,500
just kind of laughed and well and just

588
00:27:35,730 --> 00:27:33,330
left it at that

589
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:35,740
so we go to the family reunion the next

590
00:27:42,029 --> 00:27:37,360
day and I go look at where we're going

591
00:27:45,260 --> 00:27:42,039
on Sunday and his mom everybody looks at

592
00:27:47,370 --> 00:27:45,270
me Ron I got to tell you something and

593
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:47,380
like it's not like we hadn't had a

594
00:27:50,669 --> 00:27:49,090
conversation like this before where

595
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:50,679
Denise's found out something about the

596
00:27:58,020 --> 00:27:53,490
family that didn't want to tell us or

597
00:27:59,850 --> 00:27:58,030
hadn't planned on telling us and they

598
00:28:01,350 --> 00:27:59,860
pull us aside and go we need to tell you

599
00:28:04,020 --> 00:28:01,360
something I was like okay what is it

600
00:28:08,850 --> 00:28:04,030
well the sheriff in that investigation

601
00:28:12,570 --> 00:28:08,860
was your great uncle Ron what yeah

602
00:28:16,529 --> 00:28:12,580
orrin Jackson was grandma Jackson's

603
00:28:18,060 --> 00:28:16,539
brother okay yeah and they and she goes

604
00:28:19,529 --> 00:28:18,070
on you know you know Jackson who married

605
00:28:22,909 --> 00:28:19,539
a Jackson yeah

606
00:28:24,889 --> 00:28:22,919
well that's her brother and so

607
00:28:27,499 --> 00:28:24,899
huh and he wasn't really proud of how

608
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:27,509
that turned out you know it was you know

609
00:28:33,409 --> 00:28:30,690
it was he was he was upset that he was

610
00:28:36,919 --> 00:28:33,419
never able to solve that crime right and

611
00:28:40,879 --> 00:28:36,929
I was like well it's not his fault I

612
00:28:44,810 --> 00:28:40,889
said there were 20 20 other murders at

613
00:28:48,249 --> 00:28:44,820
least maybe even you know 92 other

614
00:28:52,159 --> 00:28:48,259
murders uh if you if you go back in time

615
00:28:55,159 --> 00:28:52,169
back to 1898 depending upon how far you

616
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:55,169
go back that weren't solved in the same

617
00:29:01,009 --> 00:28:59,279
manner you know so why should he feel

618
00:29:02,180 --> 00:29:01,019
bad that he wasn't able to do what a

619
00:29:06,109 --> 00:29:02,190
whole lot of other people weren't able

620
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:06,119
to do either so let's let's think about

621
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:09,600
this and oh yeah so it's not that big of

622
00:29:14,779 --> 00:29:12,690
a deal but the thing is this when we

623
00:29:17,869 --> 00:29:14,789
went in there on that following Saturday

624
00:29:19,999 --> 00:29:17,879
Sunday we met Darwin Lin the guy who

625
00:29:23,899 --> 00:29:20,009
opened the Villisca ax Murder House up

626
00:29:25,159 --> 00:29:23,909
we told him what we knew and he was so

627
00:29:27,649 --> 00:29:25,169
excited mm-hmm

628
00:29:30,139 --> 00:29:27,659
he's like let me get you this picture

629
00:29:32,239 --> 00:29:30,149
here's this picture of orange axon with

630
00:29:35,479 --> 00:29:32,249
the axe at the try at one of the trials

631
00:29:37,340 --> 00:29:35,489
and you're here's this and here's and he

632
00:29:39,799 --> 00:29:37,350
ends like and of course we got our

633
00:29:42,499 --> 00:29:39,809
daughters with us and we have you know

634
00:29:44,450 --> 00:29:42,509
pictures of our daughters with this

635
00:29:46,369 --> 00:29:44,460
memorabilia and stuff and you know

636
00:29:48,820 --> 00:29:46,379
Johnny Hauser's all excited too because

637
00:29:53,749 --> 00:29:48,830
you know there hadn't been anybody from

638
00:29:56,269 --> 00:29:53,759
the Jackson family there ever mmm that

639
00:29:57,409 --> 00:29:56,279
anybody knew of mm-hmm and we had found

640
00:29:59,869 --> 00:29:57,419
out that none of the family had been

641
00:30:01,789 --> 00:29:59,879
there so we were the first ones from

642
00:30:05,749 --> 00:30:01,799
that family to 2-bit they've been there

643
00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:05,759
the sheriff's family and so so we were

644
00:30:09,139 --> 00:30:07,769
being treated really nice well the thing

645
00:30:12,259 --> 00:30:09,149
is is we were having paranormal

646
00:30:14,509 --> 00:30:12,269
experiences to our daughter our second

647
00:30:18,169 --> 00:30:14,519
oldest second youngest daughter saw a

648
00:30:21,769 --> 00:30:18,179
full-body apparition walk by her from

649
00:30:26,509 --> 00:30:21,779
the upstairs from the Attic to the

650
00:30:31,220 --> 00:30:26,519
parents bedroom mm-hmm and you know she

651
00:30:33,769 --> 00:30:31,230
to this day she's not been back really

652
00:30:36,649 --> 00:30:33,779
yeah she's not been back it affected her

653
00:30:39,310 --> 00:30:36,659
I mean every time we go there for

654
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:39,320
Ron swears for two weeks I'm affected

655
00:30:46,580 --> 00:30:43,279
because I'm either channeling the mother

656
00:30:47,749 --> 00:30:46,590
or or some something I think I'm

657
00:30:53,419 --> 00:30:47,759
channeling the mother cuz I'm really

658
00:30:54,589 --> 00:30:53,429
irritated about the fact that she wasn't

659
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:54,599
able to well

660
00:31:02,389 --> 00:30:57,690
that somebody hurt her kids right yeah

661
00:31:04,700 --> 00:31:02,399
and I have researched this crime so many

662
00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:04,710
times and a new book came out in 2017

663
00:31:10,190 --> 00:31:08,369
that changes the way I'm looking at it I

664
00:31:12,619 --> 00:31:10,200
need to read this book I just found out

665
00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:12,629
about it this past week and it's called

666
00:31:17,899 --> 00:31:16,049
the man from the Train and I just found

667
00:31:21,979 --> 00:31:17,909
out about it because I took Ron to the

668
00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:21,989
payola axe murder house we were getting

669
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:23,369
off subject but the pale axe murder

670
00:31:27,469 --> 00:31:25,049
house is 17 miles from our house and

671
00:31:29,180 --> 00:31:27,479
that murder is related and it happened

672
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:29,190
four days before the Villisca ax murders

673
00:31:34,190 --> 00:31:32,970
and Ron had never been there so and it's

674
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:34,200
just like I said down the street from

675
00:31:39,950 --> 00:31:36,450
here start saying oh there are these are

676
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:39,960
they close to tracks or train stations

677
00:31:43,729 --> 00:31:41,039
yes they are

678
00:31:46,999 --> 00:31:43,739
although these murders happen by train

679
00:31:48,649 --> 00:31:47,009
train tracks not too far from them but

680
00:31:51,889 --> 00:31:48,659
you know that I guess that's a whole

681
00:31:54,889 --> 00:31:51,899
other show too right yeah it is so after

682
00:31:58,669 --> 00:31:54,899
we were done with that we decided then

683
00:32:01,219 --> 00:31:58,679
that we wanted to try our hand at

684
00:32:03,580 --> 00:32:01,229
paranormal investigating right after the

685
00:32:07,070 --> 00:32:03,590
very first time we went to Villisca and

686
00:32:10,969 --> 00:32:07,080
that's when we started diving into some

687
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:10,979
of the local haunts you know we went to

688
00:32:16,159 --> 00:32:13,679
we went to the Sallie house we went back

689
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:16,169
to McPike mansion and did a tour there

690
00:32:22,940 --> 00:32:19,679
and we went to their campout and so at

691
00:32:25,489 --> 00:32:22,950
this point you know we had seen on TV

692
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:25,499
when our kids were really little I mean

693
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:27,690
when I say really little in the middle

694
00:32:31,580 --> 00:32:30,090
of the night these shows were on TV so

695
00:32:35,299 --> 00:32:31,590
in the middle of the night I would get

696
00:32:38,599 --> 00:32:35,309
up and I'd have to nurse the kids so

697
00:32:42,129 --> 00:32:38,609
like in 1994 was the first time I had

698
00:32:47,659 --> 00:32:42,139
seen these shows you know a haunting

699
00:32:48,609 --> 00:32:47,669
sightings on replay a ghost story not a

700
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:48,619
ghost story

701
00:32:52,340 --> 00:32:50,610
ghost stories

702
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:52,350
was one of the shows and there you know

703
00:32:56,779 --> 00:32:54,210
we got a videotape it was like six

704
00:32:58,279 --> 00:32:56,789
videotapes of ghost stories and these

705
00:32:59,899 --> 00:32:58,289
shows were all in there

706
00:33:03,350 --> 00:32:59,909
and we would sit there and watch them

707
00:33:06,980 --> 00:33:03,360
and the three the three first ones I saw

708
00:33:10,700 --> 00:33:06,990
was the Sallie house Villisca and McPike

709
00:33:13,549 --> 00:33:10,710
and at this point you know in my life

710
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:13,559
I'm now on you know I know all those

711
00:33:17,659 --> 00:33:15,210
places I know all their histories very

712
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:17,669
well but but some of the key things that

713
00:33:22,220 --> 00:33:20,370
people don't know is like the Villisca

714
00:33:25,759 --> 00:33:22,230
ax Murder House and the Sallie house had

715
00:33:32,299 --> 00:33:25,769
the same address hmm really

716
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:32,309
yeah what are the odds of that yeah

717
00:33:38,269 --> 00:33:36,450
the McPike family and Alton Illinois the

718
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:38,279
guy who built that house his brother

719
00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:40,799
ended up in Atchison Kansas where the

720
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:43,710
Sallie house is and his children played

721
00:33:49,549 --> 00:33:45,570
with the kids that lived in the set and

722
00:33:51,409 --> 00:33:49,559
the Sallie house huh what I mean what

723
00:33:53,690 --> 00:33:51,419
are the odds of that that is yeah it's

724
00:33:58,370 --> 00:33:53,700
kind of beyond coincidence in it right

725
00:34:03,529 --> 00:33:58,380
so it's just very odd that all of these

726
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:03,539
things are are interrelated and that I

727
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:06,240
mean it's like the sixth degree you know

728
00:34:10,940 --> 00:34:08,490
the six degrees of Kevin Bacon you know

729
00:34:12,619 --> 00:34:10,950
how how can I put all these places

730
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:12,629
together I mean we can put it together

731
00:34:17,659 --> 00:34:15,450
these days just by who's been there this

732
00:34:23,500 --> 00:34:17,669
isn't even related to who's been there

733
00:34:28,579 --> 00:34:23,510
this is just related to back in you know

734
00:34:30,349 --> 00:34:28,589
18 you know 1898 you know here I can

735
00:34:32,540 --> 00:34:30,359
relate this back to 1898 just between

736
00:34:35,060 --> 00:34:32,550
these two places between Kansas City you

737
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:35,070
know Atchison Kansas and in Alton

738
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:36,570
Illinois what are the odds of that

739
00:34:43,970 --> 00:34:40,530
you know the Villisca ax Murder House I

740
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:43,980
can relate to family so that's that's a

741
00:34:48,169 --> 00:34:46,169
little bit different but it's just kind

742
00:34:50,690 --> 00:34:48,179
of uh I did that we can do that that

743
00:34:52,399 --> 00:34:50,700
there's no I can't I can't do that with

744
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:52,409
every place I mean when I went to the

745
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:54,240
Pioneer saloon I can't relate that to

746
00:34:57,650 --> 00:34:55,679
anything that I knew about other than

747
00:35:01,309 --> 00:34:57,660
hey I've seen five different shows that

748
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:01,319
this is place has been on you know that

749
00:35:06,260 --> 00:35:04,530
was it you know so well

750
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:06,270
what about what about the Sallie house

751
00:35:11,660 --> 00:35:08,850
once you tell our audience a little bit

752
00:35:15,230 --> 00:35:11,670
about it and the type of activity that's

753
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:15,240
taking place there well I can tell you

754
00:35:24,350 --> 00:35:20,640
that the type of activity that took

755
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:24,360
place there they got it famous was back

756
00:35:31,010 --> 00:35:28,560
in 1993 to 1994 about 18-month period

757
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:31,020
there a family lived there called the

758
00:35:39,350 --> 00:35:34,800
pigments and during that time they had a

759
00:35:41,630 --> 00:35:39,360
lot of strange activity that ended up

760
00:35:45,530 --> 00:35:41,640
getting them on TV for a show called

761
00:35:50,050 --> 00:35:45,540
sightings yeah yeah Tony Pickman got

762
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:50,060
actually attacked on on live TV

763
00:35:55,820 --> 00:35:53,610
he was scratched by a spirit I remember

764
00:35:58,180 --> 00:35:55,830
that okay I know exactly what you're

765
00:36:01,510 --> 00:35:58,190
talking about alright quite so they got

766
00:36:05,690 --> 00:36:01,520
they got paranormal famous from that and

767
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:05,700
dad wrote a book about it that came out

768
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:09,570
in 2010 and the thing is is the book

769
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:12,090
doesn't encompass everything because the

770
00:36:16,670 --> 00:36:13,680
book would have been a whole lot bigger

771
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:16,680
and a lot more expensive than than it

772
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:17,970
was so there's another book that's

773
00:36:25,460 --> 00:36:20,610
coming out is what she told me I did not

774
00:36:27,710 --> 00:36:25,470
meet her until 2015 so yeah I did not

775
00:36:31,310 --> 00:36:27,720
meet her when they did Ghost Adventures

776
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:31,320
because we were separated that was in

777
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:35,610
2014 so I met her in 2015 and so I'm

778
00:36:42,820 --> 00:36:37,410
gonna tell you guys if you're if you

779
00:36:45,980 --> 00:36:42,830
read the Sallie house a true haunting I

780
00:36:48,290 --> 00:36:45,990
witnessed a lot of things in that house

781
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:48,300
so I cannot discount anything that they

782
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:52,050
said that happened okay there are some

783
00:36:55,460 --> 00:36:53,210
things in the book that are is very

784
00:36:57,950 --> 00:36:55,470
disturbing I'm not going to tell you

785
00:37:04,210 --> 00:36:57,960
what they are only because they are that

786
00:37:08,810 --> 00:37:04,220
disturbing that that happened because

787
00:37:12,050 --> 00:37:08,820
spirits got into a spirit a demonic

788
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:12,060
spirit got into Tony's mind and was

789
00:37:17,660 --> 00:37:14,970
manipulating him so when he says on air

790
00:37:18,350 --> 00:37:17,670
that he thought he he thought the spirit

791
00:37:21,380 --> 00:37:18,360
was trying to make

792
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:21,390
can kill his wife I believe that he felt

793
00:37:26,180 --> 00:37:24,480
like that because you can tell since

794
00:37:29,060 --> 00:37:26,190
he's been out of that house how much he

795
00:37:33,230 --> 00:37:29,070
loves his wife he looks at her in such

796
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:33,240
an adoring way all the time so that

797
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:35,330
that's one of the things that we do know

798
00:37:43,070 --> 00:37:40,530
historically speaking there is not a lot

799
00:37:45,380 --> 00:37:43,080
of written information on the house

800
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:45,390
unless you do a deep dive of research

801
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:47,970
which I have done I have over a thousand

802
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:52,650
pages of research on that house that at

803
00:37:57,170 --> 00:37:54,720
one time I was so obsessed with that

804
00:38:00,590 --> 00:37:57,180
house that I would spend hours every

805
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:00,600
week researching that house researching

806
00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:03,330
the the people who lived in that house

807
00:38:08,270 --> 00:38:06,510
and I mean I can tell you I mean I can

808
00:38:10,340 --> 00:38:08,280
see her and talk to you all night about

809
00:38:14,050 --> 00:38:10,350
it but again there's people out there

810
00:38:18,890 --> 00:38:14,060
that want that information so bad that I

811
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:18,900
I would I would feel bad actually

812
00:38:22,820 --> 00:38:21,210
I would be irritated as anything if

813
00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:22,830
somebody took that information and used

814
00:38:27,980 --> 00:38:25,110
it without my without my permission

815
00:38:30,140 --> 00:38:27,990
that's the only thing but I can tell you

816
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:30,150
where the where the people lived before

817
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:32,970
they built a Sallie house I can I can

818
00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:36,570
dispel all rumors as to how many doctors

819
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:38,730
lived in the house where the doctor

820
00:38:44,270 --> 00:38:41,850
lived that there was no Sally I can tell

821
00:38:47,150 --> 00:38:44,280
you that for a fact if there was a Sally

822
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:47,160
she was not a little girl

823
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:49,410
there was a lady named Sally but she was

824
00:38:52,340 --> 00:38:50,970
a woman and she lived

825
00:38:54,770 --> 00:38:52,350
I mean it's strange she had two

826
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:54,780
obituaries one that was two blocks away

827
00:38:58,520 --> 00:38:56,640
from there half the house where the

828
00:38:59,900 --> 00:38:58,530
house was built and another one that was

829
00:39:01,160 --> 00:38:59,910
seven blocks away from where they lived

830
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:01,170
so which one was it

831
00:39:05,060 --> 00:39:02,970
mm-hmm you know and she was an

832
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:05,070
african-american woman I can tell you

833
00:39:10,070 --> 00:39:08,130
that there are three or four different

834
00:39:13,100 --> 00:39:10,080
urban legends about the house and none

835
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:13,110
of them are true one of them is that a

836
00:39:16,430 --> 00:39:14,250
little girl died from a botched

837
00:39:18,650 --> 00:39:16,440
appendectomy in that house well they

838
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:18,660
started keeping death records around

839
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:22,770
1905 and they say that this happened

840
00:39:27,980 --> 00:39:25,290
between 1905 and 1907 well there's no

841
00:39:30,770 --> 00:39:27,990
death records for anyone named sally

842
00:39:31,940 --> 00:39:30,780
sally was was also a nickname but i

843
00:39:34,750 --> 00:39:31,950
cannot find

844
00:39:38,059 --> 00:39:34,760
a death record for anyone who died of a

845
00:39:42,099 --> 00:39:38,069
botched appendectomy with this doctor's

846
00:39:46,009 --> 00:39:42,109
name dr. Charles Finney Cece Finney as

847
00:39:47,029 --> 00:39:46,019
their doctor because he would he would

848
00:39:51,740 --> 00:39:47,039
he would have been the attending

849
00:39:54,620 --> 00:39:51,750
physician regardless there is there

850
00:39:58,039 --> 00:39:54,630
isn't one so where did this information

851
00:39:59,359 --> 00:39:58,049
come from a haunting had it that there

852
00:40:02,539 --> 00:39:59,369
was a doctor that lived in the house it

853
00:40:04,279 --> 00:40:02,549
had an affair with african-american

854
00:40:08,059 --> 00:40:04,289
woman and that they had a child that

855
00:40:11,140 --> 00:40:08,069
died from pneumonia this was the story

856
00:40:15,650 --> 00:40:11,150
that was that came to light with a

857
00:40:18,349 --> 00:40:15,660
famous psychic involved and the thing is

858
00:40:21,230 --> 00:40:18,359
is the doctor was married mm-hmm and

859
00:40:25,130 --> 00:40:21,240
they had a son his name was dr. Charles

860
00:40:26,930 --> 00:40:25,140
Finney as well eventually and the other

861
00:40:30,319 --> 00:40:26,940
thing the fact that people don't seem to

862
00:40:32,450 --> 00:40:30,329
know is that when all this happened this

863
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:32,460
doctor dr. Charles Finney that

864
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:34,410
supposedly did this botched appendectomy

865
00:40:38,089 --> 00:40:36,690
and had this affair actually lived in

866
00:40:41,660 --> 00:40:38,099
the house next door didn't actually live

867
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:41,670
in the Sally house huh and here's the

868
00:40:47,450 --> 00:40:44,690
here's the kicker if this had happened

869
00:40:49,999 --> 00:40:47,460
just so just keep this in mind just use

870
00:40:52,249 --> 00:40:50,009
logic if this had happened that somebody

871
00:40:54,319 --> 00:40:52,259
had killed your kid okay let's just say

872
00:40:57,019 --> 00:40:54,329
that the appendectomy did happen mm-hmm

873
00:41:01,309 --> 00:40:57,029
or could have happened if somebody had

874
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:01,319
killed your kid and nothing ever was

875
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:03,920
said about it when they ran for mayor in

876
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:07,890
1913 don't you think that that would

877
00:41:13,220 --> 00:41:11,490
have come out in the newspaper oh yeah

878
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:13,230
that it would have been screaming it

879
00:41:16,549 --> 00:41:14,400
from the rooftops that this guy's a

880
00:41:18,259 --> 00:41:16,559
lousy doctor when there was nothing in

881
00:41:20,569 --> 00:41:18,269
the papers saying anything negative

882
00:41:22,700 --> 00:41:20,579
about this guy so he's talking about how

883
00:41:24,740 --> 00:41:22,710
he saved this person and how he did this

884
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:24,750
and how he did this all these positive

885
00:41:28,940 --> 00:41:26,880
things never anything negative about

886
00:41:32,980 --> 00:41:28,950
this guy how in the world did that

887
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:32,990
happen did he was he elected mayor of

888
00:41:40,970 --> 00:41:38,130
this town but yet this never came out so

889
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:40,980
I don't know it just seems kind of odd

890
00:41:45,770 --> 00:41:43,200
and the only reason he wasn't mayor for

891
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:45,780
any longer than he was was because

892
00:41:50,780 --> 00:41:48,810
prohibition started in Kansas a long

893
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:50,790
time before everybody else intended a

894
00:41:56,450 --> 00:41:53,520
long time after and he his wife's family

895
00:42:00,200 --> 00:41:56,460
was Brewers mm-hm and he was providing

896
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:00,210
beer to the Eagles club mm-hmm so he got

897
00:42:04,030 --> 00:42:01,770
in trouble for providing beer and then

898
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:04,040
he was asked to run for mayor again and

899
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:07,770
he lost in 1916 even though he had just

900
00:42:15,290 --> 00:42:11,850
stepped down so I don't know how in the

901
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:15,300
heck did the guy who delivered all these

902
00:42:21,380 --> 00:42:18,210
kids in town and another strange thing

903
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:21,390
in Kansas women could vote in mayoral

904
00:42:29,330 --> 00:42:24,330
elections and he was voted in by all the

905
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:29,340
women hmm so okay women talk oh yeah

906
00:42:36,860 --> 00:42:32,400
so if it had happened the woman would

907
00:42:39,830 --> 00:42:36,870
have said hey he killed my kid so just

908
00:42:43,130 --> 00:42:39,840
logically speaking it couldn't happened

909
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:43,140
so now I mean just having the fact that

910
00:42:49,550 --> 00:42:46,890
there was no death certificate you know

911
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:49,560
that right there is part of it but the

912
00:42:53,810 --> 00:42:51,530
second part is is when he ran for mayor

913
00:42:56,690 --> 00:42:53,820
that would have come out anyway

914
00:42:59,450 --> 00:42:56,700
especially when all the dirt slinging

915
00:43:02,000 --> 00:42:59,460
going on in the state of Kansas where a

916
00:43:05,150 --> 00:43:02,010
lot of it is highly Republican and and

917
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:05,160
he was a Democrat oh yeah and penny

918
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:06,690
lived across the street from the gut

919
00:43:15,950 --> 00:43:12,690
from the governor so what about what

920
00:43:19,490 --> 00:43:15,960
about your own experiences in the house

921
00:43:21,140 --> 00:43:19,500
I mean someplace like that that had the

922
00:43:24,890 --> 00:43:21,150
type of activity that you know I

923
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:24,900
remember seen on on sightings you know

924
00:43:30,650 --> 00:43:28,290
that that had to have continued on for

925
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:30,660
for quite a while well some of the

926
00:43:33,980 --> 00:43:33,210
rumors were that only men attacked and

927
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:33,990
that was not true

928
00:43:38,810 --> 00:43:36,450
Brooke what got me on Ghost Adventures

929
00:43:40,540 --> 00:43:38,820
was that one of the spirits in the house

930
00:43:44,570 --> 00:43:40,550
apparently wanted me to tell the truth

931
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:44,580
wanted me to do this research hmm

932
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:46,800
so when I started when I first went in

933
00:43:51,380 --> 00:43:48,720
there I started getting bruises on my

934
00:43:53,300 --> 00:43:51,390
arms you would have hand I would have

935
00:43:55,460 --> 00:43:53,310
handprints on my arms when we would

936
00:43:56,780 --> 00:43:55,470
leave Ron would look me over there'd be

937
00:43:59,700 --> 00:43:56,790
nothing and then suddenly there would be

938
00:44:02,880 --> 00:43:59,710
handprints on my arms and so

939
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:02,890
then I'd have after Ghost Adventures

940
00:44:11,490 --> 00:44:05,170
came I started getting scratched I mean

941
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:11,500
almost instantly just before before so

942
00:44:16,349 --> 00:44:13,330
before that I started getting scratched

943
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:16,359
apparently and then I had chairs fold-up

944
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:18,130
chairs thrown across the basement at me

945
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:21,359
not once but twice I had my hair pulled

946
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:24,160
during the Eclipse we were in the house

947
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:27,010
for a filming of a movie and I was

948
00:44:32,609 --> 00:44:30,880
pushed down the stairs there was all

949
00:44:36,030 --> 00:44:32,619
kinds of things that happened to me in

950
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:36,040
that house and you kept going back yeah

951
00:44:41,940 --> 00:44:39,280
I did because of the fact like I said I

952
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:41,950
was obsessed right there was a reason

953
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:44,290
that I needed to be there and there was

954
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:46,240
no convincing me otherwise if Ron

955
00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:48,640
couldn't go with me I still went every

956
00:44:54,089 --> 00:44:51,609
week that there was that we did tours I

957
00:44:55,410 --> 00:44:54,099
had to be that if somebody called me and

958
00:44:57,390 --> 00:44:55,420
said Denise can you come up here and do

959
00:45:00,990 --> 00:44:57,400
a tour I was saying yes even if I had to

960
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:01,000
miss work I would go and yeah I was a

961
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:02,530
volunteer I wasn't getting paid we lived

962
00:45:10,740 --> 00:45:08,050
90 minutes from Atchison so I was

963
00:45:13,020 --> 00:45:10,750
driving up there you know me and Ron

964
00:45:15,420 --> 00:45:13,030
were going up there if unless he had

965
00:45:17,579 --> 00:45:15,430
something he couldn't do some reason he

966
00:45:20,310 --> 00:45:17,589
can go he wasn't going but I was going

967
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:20,320
we were doing everything we could I had

968
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:23,440
to go it was and you know I got the I

969
00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:25,210
got the talking to from Zak about being

970
00:45:29,370 --> 00:45:27,040
oppressed and it's like no I'm not

971
00:45:31,829 --> 00:45:29,380
oppressed I'm I'm not oppressed I was

972
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:31,839
obsessed and there was there is it I

973
00:45:34,650 --> 00:45:33,520
believe there's a difference the thing

974
00:45:36,510 --> 00:45:34,660
is is there was something that was

975
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:36,520
telling me I needed to be there there

976
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:39,609
was a reason and the reason came out to

977
00:45:46,589 --> 00:45:44,650
me when after this movie was filmed and

978
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:46,599
I'm not allowed to say anything else

979
00:45:53,849 --> 00:45:52,089
after that and tell you but at this

980
00:45:56,370 --> 00:45:53,859
point there was a reason that I was I

981
00:45:58,800 --> 00:45:56,380
was there alright well we'll have to

982
00:46:00,780 --> 00:45:58,810
have you on then after the movie comes

983
00:46:02,900 --> 00:46:00,790
out hey Denise we all have about two

984
00:46:06,089 --> 00:46:02,910
minutes left the show so I want you to

985
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:06,099
let our audience know where they can

986
00:46:13,380 --> 00:46:09,970
find you online and again mention the

987
00:46:15,450 --> 00:46:13,390
spook show con well do that

988
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:15,460
everybody spook show con is August 17th

989
00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:18,370
go to spook show con-com and get your

990
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:21,280
tickets or to find out more about it if

991
00:46:26,310 --> 00:46:23,290
you need to find me you can find me on

992
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:26,320
Facebook on the paranormal pride and

993
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:29,440
it's the original paranormal pride you

994
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:31,210
can find me it's got my picture on there

995
00:46:37,050 --> 00:46:34,330
not not chippin and Adam so make sure

996
00:46:39,420 --> 00:46:37,060
you find that and then there's also

997
00:46:43,230 --> 00:46:39,430
Denise pridemore and the paranormal

998
00:46:45,570 --> 00:46:43,240
pride Facebook pages and my shows on

999
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:45,580
Monday nights at 7 o'clock Central Time

1000
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:48,970
on WB hm digital broadcasting I know

1001
00:46:52,590 --> 00:46:50,290
that that's the same time as Sean

1002
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:52,600
Whittington show so you guys I do have a

1003
00:46:59,130 --> 00:46:55,330
I do have archives so that you guys can

1004
00:47:03,120 --> 00:46:59,140
still listen to Sean live alright and

1005
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:03,130
spook show con starts this Saturday at

1006
00:47:10,130 --> 00:47:09,370
what time 10 a.m. 10 a.m. so you got to

1007
00:47:14,010 --> 00:47:10,140
get up early

1008
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:14,020
yep it's a 500-mile Drive for us so

1009
00:47:19,020 --> 00:47:16,050
we're leaving tomorrow

1010
00:47:21,300 --> 00:47:19,030
alright well Denise thank you very much

1011
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:21,310
for being with us tonight on exploring

1012
00:47:25,770 --> 00:47:24,250
the bizarre fascinating program and just

1013
00:47:27,570 --> 00:47:25,780
so happy that you could be with us

1014
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:27,580
tonight thank you

1015
00:47:31,860 --> 00:47:30,370
alright so everyone out there next week

1016
00:47:34,410 --> 00:47:31,870
we've got another exciting guest

1017
00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:34,420
hopefully Tim Beckley will escape from

1018
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:37,510
area 51 or the basement so tune in next

1019
00:47:42,930 --> 00:47:40,570
week I'm Tim Schwarz thank you very much

1020
00:47:51,220 --> 00:47:42,940
for listening to myself and Denise and

1021
00:47:57,650 --> 00:47:54,049
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